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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 21, 2016 22:10:09 GMT
Finally people started to understand how trash this map really is DAmn you a salty mofo. I wouldn't say its trash, just needs some minor balance changes, and something to do late game.
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Post by mirobg on Jun 21, 2016 22:36:45 GMT
even if u buffed classes they would still get overshadowed by slaughter,lust,sitael since they have what u want, dps/stuns, no point in having a tank when u can stun lock, so unless hvsh reworks the bosses no point in changing any classes they do what they are suppose to fairly well. I agree that boss mechanics are PART of the issue, but there are other issues: all classes having basically the same armor is an issue (because they have the same items and starting armor) - same really applies in hitpoints. In Solomon/diablo/meph fights, everyone dies essentially simultaneously. If a disgust can tank twice as long as any other class, i'd be very surprised - a bless can simply run around baal and not die just by healing himself, a disgust cant even do that (assuming same gear) But then again, there are classes probably do 10-20 times the damage a disgust can do, so why cant disgust tank 10-20 times as long as they can? And placekk, the reason to nerfing the good classes rather htan buffing the bad is that there are only a few good classes, and a lot of bad ones, and if you buff all classes the map gets very easy (its already too easy, solomon/diablo fight are a joke and require no brain or special gear or even a lot of grinding) So ok i see your fair point but let me ask you this..If you do nerf the good classes right now how are we supposed to do baal/diablo/solomon then?When all other classes dps is shit.Imo the prob are rly the other classes and the boss mechanics.If you nerf slaughter and satan baal would become impossible to do cause noone would do enough dmg for those 12 entries.Diablo and solomon are better in regard that u dont need entries but still would be shit to do em with no dmg.Also caster classes r pretty useless on any endgame boss after ifrit plethon cause of that stupid magic resist
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Post by HvsH on Jun 22, 2016 4:46:28 GMT
finally reuven is back to masin!1 gago goga
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Post by Reuven on Jun 22, 2016 15:33:43 GMT
Finally people started to understand how trash this map really is DAmn you a salty mofo. I wouldn't say its trash, just needs some minor balance changes, and something to do late game. it's not minor... the whole map needs a rework (heroes, bosses )
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Post by mirobg on Jun 24, 2016 22:36:34 GMT
DAmn you a salty mofo. I wouldn't say its trash, just needs some minor balance changes, and something to do late game. it's not minor... the whole map needs a rework (heroes, bosses ) I agree some heroes (like revenge) need a full rework
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Post by definition on Jun 25, 2016 22:45:43 GMT
buff revenge , death should be reworked as i think hvsh has yet to know how to fix , disgust , nightmare , cloud , sitael are basically the most shit on character and they deserve a good buff for them to work out in the game. And some one said that bless sucks in mephisto O.o ? you cannot do mephisto without a bless and even if you can you need 10 chain stunners.
2. if you guys have ideas on how to buff those characters post them on the discussion forum cause the only way HVSH is going to do anything is by your support and suggestions.
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Post by HvsH on Jun 26, 2016 3:18:32 GMT
[some chars and] sitael are basically the most shit on character and they deserve a good buff for them to work out in the game omg yes, i totally agree, finally someone understands! now i will buff sitael!!!! also idk what you mean by the "hvsh has yet to know how to fix" part and i agree with the second point but im lazy, so i might as well be disagreeing xDD
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Post by jakub on Jun 26, 2016 7:20:43 GMT
sitael shit hero w/e the one who was aple baal solo ...
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Post by definition on Jun 26, 2016 8:43:49 GMT
[some chars and] sitael are basically the most shit on character and they deserve a good buff for them to work out in the game omg yes, i totally agree, finally someone understands! now i will buff sitael!!!! also idk what you mean by the "hvsh has yet to know how to fix" part and i agree with the second point but im lazy, so i might as well be disagreeing xDD Death has a bugged passive that does not even work. And apparently what i have been told you is you could not work it out. 1 more thing did not mean to add sitael there my bad :/ was planning to wright something else and left that out..
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 26, 2016 10:06:41 GMT
umm... sitael is not weak...
Death although, does suck, at least without CW, is easily the weakest class ive played.
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Post by Jericho on Jun 26, 2016 10:08:03 GMT
Death sucks, life rocks.
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Post by pikcehc on Jun 26, 2016 11:33:23 GMT
bless is trash and heals are trash because there's only 1 and its fairly long cd and not to mention most of the time bosses kill you too fast/oneshot you she needs rework too
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Post by HvsH on Jun 26, 2016 14:41:38 GMT
which passive is bugged what part of it doesnt work?
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Post by ilovebud on Jun 26, 2016 23:06:04 GMT
I feel like this is the right section to post my suggestion in since this thread is all about character balance.
I'm a newb that has never encountered baal/diablo/mephisto before... only have gone up to lilith so my suggestion may be terrible. I'm just trying to help tho. Generating and eliminating ideas does nothing but progress the game.
Suggestion for Disgust: Give him an ability to become invulnerable for 3 seconds (arbitrary # subject to change) so he can tank the 1 shot hits. Since he's not dps, this would be useless to only save him. I thought of having him make the entire squad invulnerable via an AoE ability, but this seemed a lil much. If this was allowed, he would need some type of backfire to make up for such a good ability (i.e. kill himself or, a better idea, anybody above a certain % hp does not become invulnerable. This would make it harder for the surviving members to finish and it would require some set up before the 1 shot.) Or you could allow him to target one other member which makes that teammate invulnerable as well as himself (1 dps + disgust also seems a bit useless tho). I was thinking it'd be better to have him target 2 members, but I can't really see how you would do this (an AoE ability would make it possible for more than 2 to become invulnerable). If invulnerability or making a new skill is out of the question, I guess you should ignore this.
This invulnerability skill should go to Disgust because its a tank-related ability that would make him useful. It also resolves the untankable 1 shot issue with the bosses. It's really a support ability, but Bless doesn't need the buff as much as Disgust does.. and tanks act as a support for dps anyways.
Hope you guys consider this.
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Post by skweefe on Jun 26, 2016 23:37:35 GMT
ilovebud, disgusts old E made him disappear, making it possible to dodge all dmg but people didnt like the fact that he couldnt get targeted while using it making him not a "tank" same thing with invul u woulda be able to "tank" while using it
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