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Post by 4rankie on May 29, 2015 14:33:14 GMT
all game he was admitting to using cheat map so i only figured how he got his seph and other t4 guys he says he got seph up to lilth in 24 hours lol.
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Post by HvsH on May 29, 2015 16:45:04 GMT
Can you attach replay, or if it was ENT game, can you attach link to the replay/game ?
I only accept screenshot as proof if its really obvious, ... i cant even see his hero in screenshot
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Post by Anonymous on May 29, 2015 19:51:17 GMT
I believe he is talking about me. I find this player very obnoxious in multiple ways. He even went so far as to attempt to spawn camp me in the first town at the end of the game while abusing the damage effect of sloth gloves. I admitted not to using cheat maps to save but to learn more about the map. You can learn a lot about a map and have a lot of fun behind the scenes... I wasn't really thrilled about the map the first time I played it... but once I looked into the "behind the scenes" as you might put it, I was hooked on grinding stats! I do not save in cheated maps. I take offense to this person's belief. My first character was a Blessing and it was hell getting to Tier 4. My second character was a wisp (Corrupt Soul), that I got a friend to farm me 500,000 lumber (well, 350,000 lumber in like 8hrs of his semi-afk), and got the rest in other games alone or from kind people. This is the save I plan to build my other characters off of with the help of kind people who will help me get the paimon stuff! My third character I left up to people in the room I was in that day; I asked what character I should make as my "second character"(t4), and they told me if I didn't have a Sephiroth, that I should make one. Thus I made a Sephiroth off my Wisp fairly smoothly. I didn't save much for Sephiroth since he had 500,000 stats at start... :$ I don't have replays so I'm not sure what to tell you... though I did save a replay of a Nightmare soloing Baal in 1.86E Upd I believe, and thats where my T4 Blessing got it's "Baal Flag". I do however have a backlog of -loads for my Blessing and a handful for my Sephiroth. I really didn't want to see my spreadsheet filled with like 30 rows of Wisp +12~30K lumber so I only kept 2 or 3 lines of it with a lot of lumber. I'd be willing to load my Blessings and Sephiroth's 1 by 1 if you like.
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Post by Anonymous on May 29, 2015 20:03:51 GMT
... I thought more after I posted but I couldn't edit my post ... Also, I'd like to note that the player who reported me also kept talking about upgrading me to a class weapon after I told him I only had full Lilith multiple times. He even summoned Vassago and killed Valefor. Might War God's Spirit was nowhere to be seen but he flared Valefor's Spirit and told me to make Class Weapon. I believe it's common that Devil's Test + Jabel Nine (Might War God's Spirit, Valefor's Spirit, Devil King's Heart, Belial's Spirit, Gusion's Spirit, War) only combines to make Dark Matter, which he completely disregarded. He may have not had "Baal Flag" or Mephisto gear, but the rest was geared. What I'm trying to say in this post is, he's accusing me of cheating, but he looks far more suspicious than I do with his actions. Again, I don't save replays unless there's something exciting or I think I can learn from, case in point, the Baal solo by Nightmare that I saved.
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Post by Anonymous on May 30, 2015 0:39:28 GMT
... Me again ...
I keep checking to find a verdict but I just noticed something. The selected hero in the screenshot is the hero of the person reporting me. I know because I keep my items organized at all possible times. I'd also like to mention that I did not have Ascalon or Plethon at the time his screenshot... Soul | Weapon Armor | Gloves Accessory | "flag"
In the hours following(/during?) his reply, I worked towards acquiring Ascalon and even got 1 Plethon (armor) in the game I'm still playing in! Where should I start on explaining my Sephiroth. Above I exaplined how I got my Wisp 500K lumber. After that unlocking hidden was easy and then I was a T3 Sephiroth. That's when I started the "Cheat" character. I say cheat because Sephiroth cheats across zones. You can jump from Enuk's cell to Bereth. You can jump into Ergots... He's the Cheatyface hero. It's pretty nice having the trick... you can even jump and help with Paimon, which I seem to be doing a lot lately. Anyways, farming stats was pretty rought at first, I could barely kill the Ergots let alone the Slave (i died 1-2 times to solo him at the start) Anyways, I got help from friends and random people. I tend to lose -dice so having a friend who's willing to help with Molloch and Satanachia does wonders. I play with Placekk and machaoshu quite a bit. I believe machaoshu was there for the Molloch, or at least a majority of the Satanchia for my Sephiroth after I became T4. I don't remember who helped me with Paimon, I think it was a random in a game and I'm very grateful to them, it's why I help others with Paimon/True/Prideful! Anyways, getting Lilith was a task this time around. I played with random groups where nothing dropped and I got machaoshu to solo a couple for me, and I solo'd a couple as well... 28 times in a row and she didn't drop a damn thing... On the 29th it dropped and I forget who I was with but I was the only one who needed it. Lilith weapon get. Of course I continued to play, switching over to help people with my Blessing as needed, or playing my Sephiroth when I could. During the 30-32nd kills, she dropped nothing and on the 33rd kill she double-dropped and as I was the only one needing them, I completed my set.
Sometime after that, I was farming Plethon and in the game above, I was still in full Lilith as I mentioned... Plethon didn't drop that game either. I believe the other player in that game at the end was a T3 Lust. Me and the reporter were helping him gear up with Paimon/True/Prideful. Ironically, the reporter killed Abel for no known reason (seeing as the player barely had 500,000 stats, and was Lust which needs to use Seduction[Q] on Abel to become T4... reporter looks suspicious if you ask me...) Anyways, after a bit of talking, the reporter pretending to squelch me, unaware that I could detect whether I was squelched or not fairly easily. I wasn't... and eventually the reporter killed me with Sloth proc... so I came back and killed him... he came back and killed me. I went to come back to return the favor and he used suicide to dodge. So I copied to follow him and he attempted to spawn camp me in town 1. (He killed me once) As the owner of the MMH bot at the time, I believe he was trying to get me to kick him, and spawn camping someone in Town 1 with the ABUSABLE Sloth Gloves does seem like something that should never? happen. So I repaid his efforts with a kick. So for 5 games after that I remade with the Lust to try and get him T4 with items. He died all the times but I helped him get the Int flag that finally dropped in the last room so he just leveled to 200 and I dragged his items to town... my screen flooding like mad "this does not belong to you"...
Again, shortly after those games, I began farming Plethon (solo mostly, handful of help here and there). I was dying 5~7 times per kill but I got kills. I eventually got 1 and then that game I got Mighty War God's Spirit (Vassago's) to drop and made Dark Matter and then Ascalon! I was happy because that meant Plethon now took 2~3 deaths to kill on my own. Anyways, I'm in the game where I got the next Plethon's Spirit right now still and I made Plethon Armor. If you need witnesses, JAYOLO (east*eu) and spoonfish (west) are in the room and I asked if I could get their say to prove I got it myself.
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Post by skweefe on May 30, 2015 1:21:22 GMT
all i'am gonna say is using a "cheated map" to look at stuff ruins the fun of finding out stuff by yourself also there r guides and the forum and randoms to ask for help so i will ask if u could stop using the cheated map since u r still using it even if ur not saving ie when t5 comes out if u use it to find how to get t5 it is kinda cheating
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Post by Anonymous on May 30, 2015 1:48:39 GMT
all i'am gonna say is using a "cheated map" to look at stuff ruins the fun of finding out stuff by yourself also there r guides and the forum and randoms to ask for help so i will ask if u could stop using the cheated map since u r still using it even if ur not saving ie when t5 comes out if u use it to find how to get t5 it is kinda cheating A Guide you say? Okay so you're telling me that thing is accurate? How accurate is it? "To become Sephiroth ... devil total stats 80K" Wrong. You must have MORE THAN 80,000 stats. 80,001 or mroe. "Summon Succubus, use skill on Abel" What the hell does that mean... I don't even. First off, anyone can summon Eve. She's not a succubus. Plus, Lust cannot summon a succubus from a skill. You're misleading as hell. Second, you must use Seduction[Q] on Abel. It'd be nice to mention you'll likely die so drop your items in the first town so you can pick them up on class upgrade. "ifrit/plethon weapon ... part of set..." NO. The Ifrit/Plethon weapon is not part of the set. +the set effects of Satanachia and Lilith are not even mentioned, yet the Ifrit and Plethon are? I can understand Satanachia but Lilith's 20% magic resist is HUGE. The accessory section is a mess. Use some color coding, you're making a guide not a docutment to hand into work! Flag: Story of Sitael? What the hell is that. Sitael's Abyss [...]. The Baal Flag does not list how you fuse it. Add type "Sigil of Solomon Baal" no quotes rather than "-create". There's more problems with it even. Keep in mind you want people to read it easily and move on. Do you still question my judgement? There are plenty of other reasons to explore maps but with your lack of understand, I feel I'll be talking in circles.
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Post by skweefe on May 30, 2015 1:57:05 GMT
first off is not perfect ik that but it has the basics and it is mostly correct and the the command "sigil of solomon baal" is there if u looked under commands also there are multiply people playing and most know what they r doing and u can ask them and part of playing a korean map is figuring out what to do. ur still using a cheated map to help u which makes u cheating
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Post by Anonymous on May 30, 2015 2:24:08 GMT
first off is not perfect ik that but it has the basics and it is mostly correct and the the command "sigil of solomon baal" is there if u looked under commands also there are multiply people playing and most know what they r doing and u can ask them and part of playing a korean map is figuring out what to do. ur still using a cheated map to help u which makes u cheating I don't get how it's cheating if I never save on the map. The map is also available to anyone who searches for it so it's "open source" so to speak... I don't really gain any advantage by exploring that anyone else cannot mimic. People won't look down to the commands... People look in game for commands. They want to play and use guide quickly for checking information. If everything except 1 item uses the same -create, in theory, that last item should use it too. As a special cause, it should be in red at the "Baal Flag" part of the guide. This is a simple thing that anyone would think of and yet you're trying to make it more difficult by saying "it's in commands, that's no excuse". You need to think like the consumer(gamer)! People learn -create and cam ### from other players. They won't be looking to commands in the guide for "why isn't Baal flag working?" I met plenty of people I knew saved on cheated maps because they didn't know how to make "Baal flag". I've also met people who had "Baal Flag" for a long time and forgot how they made it and said "what, -create isn't working?" So tell me skweefe.... Is there a guide to determine which accessory you should use? There's a lot of factors that go into that sole thing. Is there a guide to tell you which armor to use? Ifrit vs Plethon? Do you need Ifrit 100% to party kill Mephisto? Is there a guide that tells you how many stats a Sephiroth needs to walk into Mephisto with Dark Barrier up and solo him? (I didn't figure this out, but it was fun testing different things...) +I did try setting a Sephiroth's STR to 2,000,000,000 and Dark Barrier enter... Mephisto died. To accomplish this STR, you must have a game going for 555 DAYS (nonstop, farming 150K stats per hour average) I'd say this is quite the interesting fact... I bet you could kill him with less strength even! You'd never know unless you experiment! You can't experiment such things on a normal map. Again, I don't save on cheated maps. When I see others who use cheated saves, I ask them not to save on cheated maps or not to use cheated -loads with me. I won't condemn them for it because it's impossible to truly ban someone from a map unless you have full control of the distribution. Once someone DLs a map, everyone may as well have it for Warcraft 3... I believe the worst part about banning someone on a map in WC3 is that those people instantly jump to a cheater forum and request them removed from bans. This is the reason why the first time I met HvsH on MMH in a game I think I was owner of, I told him he should upload the 1.86E Upd to MakeMeHost. I wanted the legitimate version that I DDL'd from this forum to be the one people play. I wanted him to know that he had control over which version people played. If he uploads the map first, others get renamed usually and look funny in MMH listing. There are exceptions but I think you get what I mean.
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Post by Anonymous on May 30, 2015 2:48:19 GMT
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention something about the "is not perfect ik". This is the TRANSLATION forum run by the official(?) translator of the map. This forum is the "Fore-most knowledgeable source" about this map. One wrong guide makes the entire forum and map look bad especially since the forum web address is spammed in game. I will tell you that it is not HvsH's job to manage the thread in any way shape or form, but you seem to be quite knowledgeable and you're not doing anything to fix it? Not only that, when someone points out major flaws and explains they opened a cheated map to explore, learn, and get a better grasp of the game, and it inspired them to play the game, to grind for hours, and make their first capped hero... you yell "BAN HIM BAN HIM"? I'm sorry to say this Skweefe but you don't even seem like you're trying to debate what I did was right or wrong. Your posts basically said "BAN HIM BAN HIM" with no real rhyme or reason other than "he explored". People explored in games like World or Warcraft all the time. Ever seen people going beneath the world? Alliance sneaking into Undercity by falling? People even found ways to sneak onto GM Island. (Blizzard was not amused) They did it to have fun. Games are made to have fun. You're basically denying the fun aspect of Masin RPG by saying "BAN HIM BAN HIM" with no concrete grounds. To sum it up Skweefe, you're a MEMBER of this forum. You know the guide is crap and you let it be. If you want to yell at me and say I cant find out more about the game and become even more interested in it because you failed to fix the guide to make it easy for me to enjoy the game, then you are to blame. You became part of the problem that led me to using a cheated map to learn how to play and upgrade and enjoy the game. Thank you for helping me learn to love this RPG. Sweefe, what do you have to say for yourself? (Sorry, I really don't like how Skweefe is just saying "BAN HIM BAN HIM". It's enraging be a bit and I tried to dim down my rage in the reply and make him understand that he needs to be willing to make sacrifices to help prevent others from using cheated maps from this point on!)
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Post by skweefe on May 30, 2015 3:00:02 GMT
thats first part "I don't really gain any advantage by exploring that anyone else cannot mimic." is saying people who use the hacked map and save dont gain an advantage cause everyone can use the hacked map, ur still using a hacked map to ur advantage also why would u want a guide for everything its called judgement and u can always save before u make it and then if u dont like it reload ur old save and get the other one also figuring out how to beat a boss is part of the game and i would assume most players who didnt know about "sigil of baal solomon" played when u didnt need it and in the 1.86 upd version when baal puts the flag around u he says "sigil of baal solomon" and some other stuff
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Post by Anonymous on May 30, 2015 4:22:46 GMT
Before I spend hours debating this stuff with you, I would like to mention this is about my possible ban. Are you a Moderator, Admin, or Creator of this map? You have said your words and I have said mine. I'd rather not continue to flood this thread any more than you already aggravated me into doing so let us leave this discussion at that.
I would like to ask you something though Skweefe. Do you approve of spawn-camping someone with and guaranteed-instant-kill item and the highest un-buffed attack speed in the game? He could easily do this to anyone. It only takes 1 person doing it for every noob, troll, cheater, etc to copy it. This leads to a decrease in the player base that's already low because of the rough grind that I enjoy. I get to meet a lot of people and have a lot of fun with them. I help and get helped.
This report may be aimed at me but I bring into question what you will do about him as well. I may use a cheated map to explore but I do not save on them. I enjoy being honest because I'd rather people know I'm open than hide a cheated map behind my back and say my items are legit. I find a guaranteed-instant-kill-spawn-camper to be far worse than any cheat load because it prevents me from playing period.
I'm sorry but ruining the enjoyment of a game for others should be the biggest concern for any Developer/Translator.
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Post by skweefe on May 30, 2015 11:36:30 GMT
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention something about the "is not perfect ik". This is the TRANSLATION forum run by the official(?) translator of the map. This forum is the "Fore-most knowledgeable source" about this map. One wrong guide makes the entire forum and map look bad especially since the forum web address is spammed in game. I will tell you that it is not HvsH's job to manage the thread in any way shape or form, but you seem to be quite knowledgeable and you're not doing anything to fix it? Not only that, when someone points out major flaws and explains they opened a cheated map to explore, learn, and get a better grasp of the game, and it inspired them to play the game, to grind for hours, and make their first capped hero... you yell "BAN HIM BAN HIM"? I'm sorry to say this Skweefe but you don't even seem like you're trying to debate what I did was right or wrong. Your posts basically said "BAN HIM BAN HIM" with no real rhyme or reason other than "he explored". People explored in games like World or Warcraft all the time. Ever seen people going beneath the world? Alliance sneaking into Undercity by falling? People even found ways to sneak onto GM Island. (Blizzard was not amused) They did it to have fun. Games are made to have fun. You're basically denying the fun aspect of Masin RPG by saying "BAN HIM BAN HIM" with no concrete grounds. To sum it up Skweefe, you're a MEMBER of this forum. You know the guide is crap and you let it be. If you want to yell at me and say I cant find out more about the game and become even more interested in it because you failed to fix the guide to make it easy for me to enjoy the game, then you are to blame. You became part of the problem that led me to using a cheated map to learn how to play and upgrade and enjoy the game. Thank you for helping me learn to love this RPG. Sweefe, what do you have to say for yourself? (Sorry, I really don't like how Skweefe is just saying "BAN HIM BAN HIM". It's enraging be a bit and I tried to dim down my rage in the reply and make him understand that he needs to be willing to make sacrifices to help prevent others from using cheated maps from this point on!) some reason never seen this until today and i never once said "BAN HIM BAN HIM" i asked if u would kindly not play the cheated map anymore and ur asking for someone to make a "perfect" guide i can not do that also i never made the guide so i cant make changes to it( if u really want a better guide i can try to go make one) also i dont approve of spawn killing unless ur doing it for fun like me and some of my friends do when we did what bosses we could/wanted but banning cause of it is kinda silly unless he/she keeps joining games just to do it and he/she does it until u leave or kill him/her same with banning over "exploring" it would be silly
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Post by 4rankie on May 30, 2015 17:12:33 GMT
i was doing it for fun lmao i was leaving and he was talking shit so i killed him and he killed me back was even trade lol i helped my friend get t4 and we had nothing left to do this was hour after he admitted to using cheats lol
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Post by HvsH on May 30, 2015 17:41:02 GMT
1) I'm sorry but ruining the enjoyment of a game for others should be the biggest concern for any Developer/Translator. (although using a cheated map to test things that were meant to be "secret" does ruin it, I will be honest with that) 2) no replay, bad screenshot = no report 3) tldr
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