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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 10, 2016 1:16:17 GMT
I was thinking, instead of saving money for dope, allow an item (like a tome) that is consumed and permanently adds stats.
Right now 1 million gold is 10k worth of attributes.
My proposal is for 1 mil gold to be 1000 attributes, thus 1/10 of what it was, for characters who are maxed out.
Thus instead of 1000 gold being 10 stats, it would be one stat.
Or something along those lines, exact numbers don't matter, but the point is it would be something to do other than killing bosses and would actually allow for custom characters to be made, beyond just using items.
Makes for some hardcore farming, if people want to do it.
With these, stats that exceeded 1 mil base would be saveable.
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Post by HvsH on Jun 10, 2016 5:20:37 GMT
what i can do is maybe this: max stat is 1.5M instead of 999999 at 3M stats, 10 wood -> 1 stat point 3.5M stat, 50 wood -> 1 stat point 4M+ stat, 100 wood -> 1 stat point
or i can just make it so that you can only save one of your stats as greater than 1M (ie, max 1.5M) and the other two stats cant be greater than 1M
i would add back the -dope commands which added 1M non-saveable stat buff for 1M wood
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 10, 2016 9:47:13 GMT
Well, the point is, if you make characters too powerful it will make the map too easy, so if you make characters stronger, it should be very time consuming to get that.
Ideally, there would be no limit, but it would be very hard to get stats at a certain point.
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Post by skweefe on Jun 10, 2016 11:32:23 GMT
personally i think raising the cap would ruin the game
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 10, 2016 21:05:41 GMT
personally i think raising the cap would ruin the game why? instead of making new characters you can just farm on one, if you so please, at a hugely reduced rate, of course. it's not like this game is balanced anyway.
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Post by wareditor on Jun 10, 2016 22:12:19 GMT
Assuming one can farm 200k wood every hour (you can't, but it is gonna make my calculations easier) : You would need 25 hours te get the first 500k, 125 hours to get the second 500k and 250 hours to get the third 500k. That is a total of 400 hours (16 days) of farming the same content for actually no good reason as you can already clear all the content with current max stats. If you argue that you can't actually solo the content, a mere increase of 1.5M stats isn't going to help. If you really want to solo the content you'd better farm millions of dope in one game.
There is no point in increasing the max stats limit if no new content is made.
Edit: My suggestion for making heroes more customizable : changing the limit of 1M stats max per stat to 3M stats max for total stats. For instance, you could have 1 AGI, 1 STR and 3M INT or 2.5M AGI, 250k INT and 502k STR. It would require adding a retrain stats NPC for all the people that already maxed out stats.
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 10, 2016 23:59:40 GMT
Could also add damage or hp tomes, that dont effect stats... etc
or hell, higher levels, which just means more hp/mana really.
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Post by HvsH on Jun 11, 2016 3:44:44 GMT
yes because a 3M str satan or disgust or seph wont be op at all
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 11, 2016 3:53:45 GMT
yes because a 3M str satan or disgust or seph wont be op at all Lol, based on my idea, a 3m str satan or disgust would take hundreds of hours to farm. And evne then cant solo baal, and basically useless vs solomon.
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Post by skweefe on Jun 11, 2016 13:35:12 GMT
a max disgust can already tank baal forever and can solo baal just takes like 2 years, and can tank solomon/diablo fairly well if u dodge skills
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 12, 2016 11:17:06 GMT
a max disgust can already tank baal forever and can solo baal just takes like 2 years, and can tank solomon/diablo fairly well if u dodge skills Show me proof of this because quite frankly I just don't see it happening. Sure if i play smart baal can't kill me, but then he'll just kill everyone else in there, and i would not have the dps to kill him. Either way i don't care much about being able to solo baal or X fight, I'd just like something to do on a maxed char other than looking for a group for solomon or w/e... and i'm not asking for a super OP character either, if anything, i'd be fully supportive of HVSH making bosses harder and/or nerfing the classes that are overpowered (we all know they exist). Tome of dmg, tome of hp, tome of armor, some sort of gambling feature? Anything worth farming on a 3 mil character... I'll take it. I want to see more customized characters, adds another element to the game, rather than everyone being the same with the exception of a few items... Options are always a good thing... currently basically only 3 options right now, the more the better assuming everything is balanced. If you really think adding 100 k attributes to any class right now for a ton of farming will break anything, then I'm sorry, but you should really take a hard look at the current classes, because some classes could get +1 million stats, and id say theyre still inferior to other classes, and no im not talking about special characters like solomon or whatever.Options currently: 1. Look for high-end games (solomon, meph, w/e) 2. Farm new character 3. Help people I'm all for new development (new bosses, new characters) but IMO current content should be balanced before adding new content. Solomon is killed easier than meph/diablo, I don't think that was intended. Hvsh does a good job balancing shit and im amazed how complex this map is, and it's PRETTY balanced, but could be better, certainly not an easy task. I don't think any class should be made stronger, but some classes do need a nerf.
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Post by skweefe on Jun 12, 2016 13:24:14 GMT
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 12, 2016 15:43:12 GMT
With post-baal gear sure. Even with baal gear probably not, meph gear yes.
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Post by HvsH on Jun 12, 2016 15:59:57 GMT
um, he said a max disgust...
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Post by mypartnarsux on Jun 13, 2016 21:49:18 GMT
think you guys are missing the point here, i don't care about soloing baal.
Maybe add some very rare drops from certain bosses, a drop that adds +1000 dmg, or some attributes, or something, anything.
Again just looking for some farming incentive.
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