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Post by ashjd on Jun 11, 2015 19:19:23 GMT
First of let me get this clear. So proc is 8xagi and 4xstr, 4xint. + 50% health ? . Let me say like this a maxed slaughter with dope cant skill vassago in one run and the bonus damage when target is 50% is not very significant.I think He should have a chance to bash like 4%-5% chance to stun. As of right now he's useless as a maxed char. ok t3 slauter doesnt suck. He has considerably high dmg in t3.
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Post by skweefe on Jun 11, 2015 19:52:29 GMT
ya but that guy was basing his point on the fact that he has not seen any t4 slaughters lol plus slaughter is not meant to solo he really shines when u have a tank
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Post by SlaughterIsSquishy on Jun 11, 2015 22:52:51 GMT
ok, and why do you think they are not strong enough? (im not saying you're wrong, im always open for suggestions) Slaughter does bonus damage if the target is below 50% hp If you have stacked a lot of rage and then activate your ultimate, your passive will proc a lot and each will do bonus damage if target is under 50% ... what? Stacking? That would only be useful once. You could do it, yeah, but you can't do it in battle. It takes 5:40 at least to use your Q enough times to max rage. There are no other ways to do this, and while you do it you can't hit anything making you effectively useless. Against the only actually possible boss that comes after you reach a class weapon, it would be actually stupid to try this once the battle has begun. The Class weapon, while cool, does not redeem late game slaughter at all and does literally nothing for earlier game slaughter. If you want to make him even remotely formidable, give him a way to regenerate some life like all the other close combat people.
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Post by HvsH on Jun 12, 2015 0:59:30 GMT
Okay, now that is a good argument I can change it so that each hit, 100% chance to generate 1 Rage if ultimate is not active But when active, it reverts back to normal chance; that way you can stack Rage easy but hard once you start expending it
And i'm more concerned for characters' late game potential than their early or midgame, so i have little interest in buffing his passives or whatnot, sure I could give his Q a self heal but id rather not, i want to keep self heal restricted to few classes only
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Post by UW0TM8 on Jun 12, 2015 1:37:03 GMT
i want to keep self heal restricted to few classes only Blessing, Disgust, Sephiroth, Cloud, Revenge, Thirst, and Death all have heals at the very least passively from striking. Seven heroes have self heal. There are ten heroes. Your move, HvsH.
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Post by Tobito on Jun 12, 2015 1:40:51 GMT
WOMBO COMBO
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Post by HvsH on Jun 12, 2015 2:47:54 GMT
let's be honest, disgust's self heal has too long cd to be of use cloud is barely any heal because most of the time he will be spamming spells
blessing and seph arent self healers, they're meant to heal others
so of them all, disgust/cloud have unreliable self heals death and thirst have decent self heals revenge loses all dps if he heals; but thats okay, he's still definitely a self healer seph (as of now) and blessing are not meant to be self heals
and btw, theres 11 heroes, not 10
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Post by SlaughterIsSquishy on Jun 12, 2015 3:52:25 GMT
For most of them I was referring to passive heals. Disgust is heals while it attacks for extremely large amounts. This is why disgust is not squishy. Cloud's heal is nominal I don't really even know why it's there. But it IS. For whatever reason. Sephiroth heals in melee and uses gigantic pressure? I don't think that heals anybody else at all? Blessing can also heal itself?
Oops. Skipped Slaughter. My bad bby.
The point is that healing is what makes people NOT squishy. And the better part of all the endgame heroes have healing in some form. Of the remaining four that don't directly have heals, lust works by having a summon tank so it doesn't get hurt and sitael can revive. Nightmare has nothing but let's be honest: who cares.
And then there's Slaughter. Everyone else skipped Slaughter too.
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Post by HvsH on Jun 12, 2015 4:32:13 GMT
o bby, i think you need to duo with a blessing or even a thirst rather than soloing
realize that its not about how well you can solo, its how well you can contribute
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Post by SlaughterIsSquishy on Jun 12, 2015 5:21:41 GMT
And finally we come to the root of the problem.
You just implied slaughter is no good without help.
This is why I say he needs the buff the most. I have nothing else to say about this. Probably.
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Post by Reuven on Jun 12, 2015 10:22:01 GMT
let's be honest, disgust's self heal has too long cd to be of use cloud is barely any heal because most of the time he will be spamming spells blessing and seph arent self healers, they're meant to heal others so of them all, disgust/cloud have unreliable self heals death and thirst have decent self heals revenge loses all dps if he heals; but thats okay, he's still definitely a self healer seph (as of now) and blessing are not meant to be self heals and btw, theres 11 heroes, not 10 How can seph even heal other's , He's main self healer tank. and the heal others is really weak... he's more of jack of all trades for himself
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Post by skweefe on Jun 12, 2015 15:55:04 GMT
And finally we come to the root of the problem. You just implied slaughter is no good without help. This is why I say he needs the buff the most. I have nothing else to say about this. Probably. its a team game ur not suppose to solo
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Post by HvsH on Jun 12, 2015 18:26:02 GMT
you're right reuven, i forgot he had E barrier to self heal; but his W if anyone's been keeping track of the new changes to class items will be changed to INT x 2.5 aoe heal
and if you think about it, which char is the best to receive blessings R (and E), well obviously slaughter because he has no skill that gives him max attack speed (other good ones are sitael and thirst but they have max attack speed skills); so slaughter + blessing = one of best duo (as long as slaughter doesnt get raped by boss) throw in thirst's Blood Field and your slaughter with R and E buffs from blessing will be op
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Post by Reuven on Jun 13, 2015 18:45:52 GMT
And finally we come to the root of the problem. You just implied slaughter is no good without help. This is why I say he needs the buff the most. I have nothing else to say about this. Probably. its a team game ur not suppose to solo Who told you it's a team game? Clearly you can solo the game.. lol.
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Post by Reuven on Jun 13, 2015 18:46:47 GMT
you're right reuven, i forgot he had E barrier to self heal; but his W if anyone's been keeping track of the new changes to class items will be changed to INT x 2.5 aoe heal and if you think about it, which char is the best to receive blessings R (and E), well obviously slaughter because he has no skill that gives him max attack speed (other good ones are sitael and thirst but they have max attack speed skills); so slaughter + blessing = one of best duo (as long as slaughter doesnt get raped by boss) throw in thirst's Blood Field and your slaughter with R and E buffs from blessing will be op i dont know why he's complaing about, slaughter is balanced
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